Everyone, for reasons that were completely ahistorical, is really surprised by the emergence of things like the black bloc or…the Ya Bastas from Southern Europe. There was…this moment where everyone was like, ‘oh! Where did all of this come from?’
The Zapatistas offered a vision that other worlds were still possible.
we had developed a fair amount of respect for each other…[and] many of those debates were had in pretty fraternal ways and played out better than maybe they have most recently.